Good Writers Are In Danger of Becoming Extinct
by marinashifrin
Sylvia Plath would’ve killed herself sooner if the internet were around when she was writing her poetry. Can you imagine if her editor said she needed to have a larger online presence? So, being the passionate, aspiring writer that she was, she posted “Daddy” on her Tumblr only to receive a message which read: “u r a fat bitch, entitled cunt who should kill URSELF.” It’s enough to make anyone recoil from the internet, let alone an emotionally unstable writer months away from suicide.
When I got that exact message last September, I was sitting in my parents’ kitchen drinking tea. They told me to ignore it. But how could I?
Everyone tells me to ignore the internet. “You’ll go crazy if you read that crap,” they say, “You’ll never make it if you care about what other people think.” I really care about what other people think and I don’t want to change that about myself. I wouldn’t be a comedian if I didn’t care about the well-being of others. I want to be everyone’s friend. I want to press them to my chest and kiss the tops of their heads while quietly cooing, It’ll be okay, little bird. It’ll be okay. Call me soft, but at least I’m sweet.
Last year I discovered an old diary and was amazed by what I read. There were pages upon pages filled with 13-year-old scribble saying, “I want to be a comedian…I want to write people’s stories…I want to make people happy with my writing.” I’ve spent the past 13 years pursuing that goal, but never in that time did I expect what was going to be waiting for me on the other side of the publish button.
When I was outlining those dreams in my diary, the writing industry was completely different. Aspiring writers sent their writing to an editor. The editor said “yes” or “no” and all the “yes” stories were published. The writers who made it were ones who got a lot of yeses, the ones who didn’t, well, you know.
I was taught that I’d spend years of growing, getting constructive criticism, and failing. I learned that resilience, talent, and ambition were the tools which would ensure future success. I thought if my writing was truly shitty I would just quietly disappear into office shredders and that’d be the end of it. I never imagined that the biggest thing to stand between achieving my dreams, or turning my back on them, would be the fear of being called “a fuck shit liberal woman cunt” — another message I received from an anonymous commenter. Man, the internet really likes the c-word.
Last year I was faced with a choice: stop doing anything that would subject me to anonymous commenters or continue with all of it, and risk becoming one of those bitter people whose creativity is fueled by anger and pessimism. I am currently somewhere in between. I am never going to stop writing and I am never going to stop caring about what other people think — even strangers with poor grammar. I’d rather go down trying to make everyone happy, than not trying at all. That’s my promise.
Now you promise me this: if you read something you love, then write something nice in the comments section. Fight the internet trolls who use hatred as their form of entertainment. If you don’t feel comfortable writing a public note, then send the writer a private message, most writers are pretty accessible if you do a little digging. Many nice, smart readers are being muted by sexually frustrated teenage (let’s face it, they’re most likely teenagers) assholes. Even good writers still get the occasional tweet, message, or email containing language that shatters their confidence to the core. Why are there more angry comments than encouraging ones?
Internet bullies are eating away at brilliant minds, sensitive writers and emotional creators. We need to shield young people from the angry internet. If we’re not careful, the gentle ones will become extinct and we’ll be subject to a louder more caustic breed of cynical creators who never show their fragile underbellies. Our apathy is unintentionally shrinking what’s left of the vulnerable side of humanity.
Thanks as always for reading or whatever.
Marina
P.S. A quick story: There is a female scientist who has this small site where she writes about her experiments. A lovely producer — a man I know and respect — reached out to encourage her to start a YouTube channel. He thought she’d be a wonderful role model for young children (especially girls) who are interested in science. She, however, was not so keen on the idea because she was too scared of the comments her videos would get. So this great, educational channel may never see the light of day for a sad but completely valid reason. Young, creative people who need to be nurtured are being turned away due to the vitriol on the internet. Stop it, Internet.
I think that whatever you write you will always get some crackpots who think they are clever or funny ,writers should be able to deall with this,then if they threaten violence csll the cops …do some videos marina reacha wider audience …lets us know what you are doing now
That’s a good point, Garry. I don’t know about making videos, I’ve always like the behind-the-scenes writing thing more, but if I do start making videos I’ll be sure to let you know. Thanks for the comment!
Keep killing it, Marina. Your writing always makes me happy!
One of my favorite playwrights has been attributed to saying “Art is not a mirror to hold up to society, but a hammer with which to shape it.” I love and regard that as the truth, the artist as the necessary agitator. While it is sad that people with more gentle, sensitive dispositions are reluctant publish in fear of recriminations, I do think in the end, providing a platform for the crazies, wack-jobs, misogynistic d-bags is a good thing.
As an artist your job is to keep pushing us forward. Reinvent who we are as an idea, a culture. This is a game of millimeters and it is not for the faint of heart or weak stomach. There are those of us who will go willingly, excitedly where you want to take us, and that’s good for you and those of us who agree with you. The other, necessary side of the hammer is how much you antagonize the fringes. You (an perhaps more significantly, your lady parts) scare the living hell out of them. If you are doing your job you’ll have lots of them. Evolution forces them to adapt or perish and that’s some scary shit for an untalented, unrealized schmuck. They say kids can be cruel. The dirty little secret is a lot of those cruel little shits grow up to be cruel adults, they just figured out the social value of not being a public asshole. So they howl at the moon behind the anonymity of the comments section. Or as another great playwright wrote, “if they’re shooting at you – you know you’re doing something right:”. Fuck ’em. Fuck ’em right in the ass. Don’t ever quit.
Hey Marina, I read whatever you publish. Most of the times I like it, sometimes I find it not as excellent as others.
I anyway don’t want you to stop. Please keep your promise.
You do care by publishing.
About that science channel, there is one good example I know: i fucking love science – ifls.com.
Hosted by a girl.
I hope this will give some motivation.
Hey Marina, hang in there! I always enjoy what you write, although I don’t always telly you. I’ll make more of an effort to do it. If someone doesn’t have the balls to use their name when they send you an expletive filled comment, they don’t deserve your attention. I know that’s easier said than done. Thanks for doing what you do and doing it well.
Sean
Hey Marina —
One of the worst things about the Internet is the ability for people to be anonymous and spew hate and whomever they choose to without needing to defend themselves or face possible retaliation for their hateful words.
I would guess that most people who post comments using their real identities – or the names associated with real accounts on Facebook / Twitter / etc. write mostly nice things.
Now this is not to say that non-anonymous (is that a word?) people only write nice things. I follow a bunch of blogs and have often had debates about a subject with either the blog author or other follows of that blog.
And that is one of the things that makes the internet great – the ability for people to express their thoughts and ideas to the public for for those posts to generate conversation about a subject, and in those cases most people write generally well thought out points and counter points as opposed to the “easy” string of visceral nonsense like “you’re a f-ing stupid c-word”.
Google recently faced angry backlash when they tried to make it so all users of Google+ had to use their real names. They backed off of t his idea but I think it was a great one. Lets remove the anonymity from the internet in places where social discourse may or does take place.
Its one thing to play an online game under a fake persona (although people call you all kinds of names there if you aren’t as good at the game as they are) as opposed to commenting on a blog where a real person has post thoughts and ideas that they have presumably taken some time to consider and craft before presenting them to the world via the Internet.
I have always enjoyed your writing and my comments about it have always been truthful, but if you wrote something I didn’t like or didn’t agree with I would tell you so, but not anonymously, and not in a mean or disrespectful way.
I hope you keep writing and can learn to ignore what the anonymous people say about you.
Rich
As a writer and video producer I gotta say you are up there as a head of the pack of new internet sensations. I myself have a blog and have my own YouTube videos performing my own spoken word, my problem is not trolls discouraging me, (I can handle anything from dumb-ass teenagers goofing around for sport) my problem is getting my work view by a wider audience. So…haha…I’m going to plug my blog here (if that’s cool of course), and I hope that you like my stuff as well.
http://www.adamgailekingdom.blogspot.com/
One of the many hats I wear is as an editor who publishes a lot of lit work. One of my central experiences has been that many of these authors have been almost beaten into submission by either negative criticism [which is part of life] but also just plain malicious attacks by’ trolls.’
Feedback, be it constructive or aggressive, if it comes from someone specific, can be digested after time, at the least weighed and tallied, at the most understood and accepted, but always attributed to a name, a face, a tangible human being. Anonymous hate however is a squall, a storm that cannot be predicted let alone prepared for. Unfortunately it’s also extremely addictive. The internet allows people to step into taboo rich identities often wholly free of consequence and for a culture that has no rites of passage to help define roles and transitions it gets quite attractive for normally decent or moderate people to run amuck, and vent frustration from all avenues of their life and direct it at someone, to feel like power or control.
All that said, I’ve also found strong supportive communities all across the internet who act as safe havens, and individuals who do the best they can to offer counter balance to the onslaught. In many ways it’s like living in an occupation, which can make the positive, the supportive feel trite, out of place. It’s up to the lot of us to stand firm in holding space for personal exploration both in the world of authorship and all the other mediums as well.
Keep the torch lit, you’re not alone and others you may never meet will see it and give thanks, for those who help illuminate and distinguish a path ahead.
what i do usually is have a hint from the first words, and then don’t read the whole thing, and then try to get it out of my head … just ignore it, it is true that humans have a lack of compassion sometimes, they are so angry with themselves and their lives that they can’t resist the urge of that guilty pleasure, spreading hate and written abuse …
Hey Marina
I agree that Internet trolls are mega monsters…yeah, and everything else.
Keep going!
I’m rooting for you.
Reblogged this on agnesratsimiala.
I saw your “I Quit” video the day it was published, loved it, and subsequently read almost the entirety of your website. I sent you an email shortly thereafter to send my regards and encourage you the rest of the way, and you responded with a nice little note back. It was great, and it’s pretty much what every artist likes to hear. That being said, your interpretation of mean internet comments in particular, and criticism in general, are way off base here.
What you’re doing wrong is you’re looking at it from an angle that entirely misses the point, and as such, you’re getting the wrong idea about how to handle both criticism and anonymous haters altogether.
The fact is whenever you do anything of note, whether it’s create something or act boldly, people are going to shit on you for it. That’s not an evaluation of you, the creator – it’s an evaluation of THEM. They’re the ones who have an inability to deal with their deep internal emotions, and as such they externalize their struggle by lashing out any anyone – you, for example – who does what they are too afraid to do.
Think about it – what were some of the reactions to your “I Quit” video, even the ones that were spelled correctly and had proper grammar? That you were just another entitled millennial, with no respect for hard work, you shouldn’t have broadcast your departure to the world, you humiliated your employer, you’re just like ever other lazy twenty-something who has no class or etiquette, etc. etc. I guarantee you 99 percent of the people saying those things were probably stuck in dead end jobs working for people they hated, lashing out at you for doing what they did not have the courage to do. It had everything to do with them, and nothing to do with you or what you did.
You may have a natural notion of wanting to please people and care what people think, and no one’s asking you to change that. What you do need to change – which is inherently doable, without having to be all that emotionally strong – is your evaluation of haters. Once you better understand WHERE that hate is coming from, shit comments like the ones you mention carry far, FAR less weight.
That’s not an easy task, but with enough time, it’s doable. And with that, writers like Sylvia Plath or other introverted soft spoken types with strong creative talents can better reach people with their art.
Personally, I think that’s a far more effective endeavor than trying to discourage the haters. Haters will always exist and it’s impossible to get rid of them. Let’s help artists and creators better understand what’s happening when the haters come out of the woodwork, as well as understand where that sort of vitriol is really coming from. Far more creativity will flow from that point of view.
Harry,
I really like this response. And since writing this post (fueled by a little bit of anger, a lot of insecurity and some defensiveness) I’ve decided not to give so much power to commenters. I guess part of me was trying to stand up for new/insecure writers and another part of me was trying to encourage intellegent, eloquent readers such as yourself to speak up.
I agree 100% with what you’ve said here and will definitely try to change my perception and thicken my skin a bit. Thanks for writing and thanks for reading.
Marina, you make a great point, and it’s what I’ve struggled with as a writer and creative type myself for a long time, and something I’m still working on – being more invested in the negative opinions of the smallest minority, even a lone voice, than the overwhelmingly positive and supportive opinions.
Why, why is it that one overwhelmingly negative, small, uneducated person running us down and even saying mean, crass things that make no sense and are just insulting can shut us down for hours, weeks, even days, months, or years…or can even undermine us from doing what we want to do or ever even starting in the first place? Why does that lone, unfocused meanness sometimes speak to us so much louder than the positive? Why don’t we just ignore that voice? It certainly seems to be that on some level, that small voice is speaking to some smallness inside ourselves. We listen, because on some level we’re afraid they’re right. We listen, because they’re saying the things that we unconsciously or consciously fear may be true about us. What if we are small? What if we are tiny? What if we really are a piece of crap? What if we’re just putting on a great show? What if we’re living a lie and everybody really hates us, and maybe just appear to tolerate us at best, or are flat out lying to our faces and only pretending to like us?
While I still don’t completely understand how or why this happens, what has become abundantly clear to me is we can either choose to listen to the voice of fear of the voice of confidence and courage to continue producing in the face of those many voices of hatred, fear, and all the other non-integrous consciousness levels that would seek to hold us back. For me, working with A Course in Miracles Workbook lessons, Dr. David R. Hawkins’ and others material has helped immensely; the issue is internal, rather than external, which means it always remains within our power to take responsibility for and deal with. And in specific psychological terms, after you learn about projection, you come to recognize that others are often expressing hatred towards things they see in us that they’re trying to deny about themselves. So maybe there really is an area of opportunity for our growth that they’ve highlighted, but we can also see that the reason they got so hot and bothered about what they saw in us is something they aren’t dealing with themselves…and we can find more compassion and kindness for them, and take away another area of opportunity for ourselves to work on without the really counterproductive way it was expressed.
While I still struggle with those small, mean opinions, I’m increasingly able to respond positively to those voices and consciousness states I see as being not just in others, but also within myself with something more than denial, anger, rejection, pride, or other things that only perpetuate and strengthen them, with statements and underlying feelings like, “May you be well. May you be happy. May all things go well for you,” and see those awful things being said as calls for help by hurting and broken people.
Anyway, I wish you the best, and feel free to email me directly at stormthrush37[at]yahoo.com if you’d like. Paul
I literally just discovered your existence today and I think you’re amazing. You’re very ballsy in how you write and you tell things from an interesting perspective. Needless to say I think you’re very cool and please keep doing what you’re doing so I can keep reading your stuff! 😀
http://seriouspony.com/trouble-at-the-koolaid-point
Hi Marina.
I don´t really have nothing to say, I agree with pretty much you write.
Just wanted to say hi. Hope you´re doing well.
I love your wit and view on life, and your parents are delightful! Do not, do not, let those who troll stamp on your dream and make you feel badly. They are sick, and you are well, and need not bother with their sad angry little words. If you let them bother you, they have succeeded. Don’t let them have their success. Your success is what matters. Every day matters.
Much goodness awaits you, time will tell, as the old adage goes. My most heartfelt blessing up on you. Your life is waiting to happen and it happens only to you. You matter.
This is such a wonderful comment to read. Thank you for taking the time to write me!
I have grown a new layer of thick skin to battle mean people on the internet and am ready to come back online!
Not only are you an excellent writer, but you are adorably cute!
Hi Marina, do post a new piece if you have the time. I appreciate your writing and hope you’re doing fine on that end.
I just came across your blog after reading your article on not quitting your job on Linked In. Don’t let the trolls squelch your self-confidence, creativity or self-esteem. The only reason they post crap like that is because they themselves have no self-esteem. I am 61. I used to care about what other people think. When I first started a blog back in 2006 I was still working and worried about what people might think of my views (I tended to blog about political issues) so I picked an anonymous name and hoped no one I knew would ever read it. Well, that all changed. It helped that I retired from my job in 2010 but even before that I had stopped caring what people thought, even people I knew. Facebook helped that a lot because I posted my own ideas under my own name and the rest is history. You know what? I am a people pleaser like you. I want everyone to like me. But one thing you learn with age and experience is that you can’t please everyone all the time. And there are assholes we shouldn’t want to please in the first place. If everyone likes us, what is it that we stand for? You keep saying what you believe and writing what you want and delete those trolls. If comments are bothering you, turn off the comments. Just keep sending your ideas out into the world, and they will be appreciated by those who deserve to hear them.
Hi Marina
I found your site after reading, “Don’t Quit Your Day Job.” That article intrigued me because I am contract software developer who has written for years, but never did anything with them but file them and occasionally read to my friends or go to nursing homes and provide a bit of levity to that captive audience. Basically, I’m saying that all the people I knew said, “You’re great” (The operative thought is they were all people I knew).
Emboldened by the fact that 100% of the people I knew were telling me I’m great, I decided to take a stab at going more public so I put some quotes out on Café Press and even used my real name, tagging the quotes UlyssesSays (At least I wasn’t so full of myself that I put my real writing out there).
After a year of learning how, I got a small fraction of my quotes and one-liners out on cups, T-shirts, etc. I then listened to advice and changed my wrongly-categorized “blog” from an “ad” for my quotes to what I hope becomes a real blog. Your post here is a God-Send to me because I am such a novice that I didn’t even know to care about tough comments. I just thought criticism would be the way to grow. After all, for me any attention seemed better than no attention.
Though I have written all my life, it was not until late in life that I am coming to the feeling your 13-year-old diary entries describe. The thing is, as an independent contractor, I don’t really have a day job I can quit; but, I think I have quit emotionally. Now, instead of writing for relaxation when I’m not working analytically, I write because I must in the same way I drink water when thirsty or eat when hungry.
So, thank you for the warning in this post. I now know to become fitted with a suit of armor and brace myself. At the stage I am, I can only hope I will be noticed enough to need them.
ujh
The LinkedIn story also brought me here. I’m so glad I found such an honest, funny, self-effacing writer. Your blog is inspiring and reminds me that there is so much good writing out around if we look for it. It’s unfortunate that we have to skim through a large bad writing throughout the day–finding you is a wonderful respite. Thank you. Keep writing, girl. I’m a new fan.
Hi Marina, The LinkedIn story also brought me here. Unlike you, I have gotten beaten up so badly for expressing my opinions publicly that I have stopped doing so. I do continue to express my opinions, but I do so in private messages to the author(s.) I’ve gotten wonderful feedback and maintained dialogues that way, without the trolls attacking. Please up on writing. At the least, I finally responded openly. A big step for me.
Hi Marina: Like many above, I came to this site because of your very insightful LinkedIn piece about quitting your day job. That piece would have been useful to me a couple years ago when I was in panic about funding and longed to jump ship every day. I did not need anyone to talk me off the ledge, though, because a friend from the misty past walked up to me during that time and said, “We’re hiring and I think you are the right person for the job.” You never know when your hard work will pay off and with whom. So it pays to do what i told my supervisees at the last job: “Always do your best and always walk the high road.”
I am planning to write a post on my writing blog (Writers’ Wroot Cellar) about this post. I will suggest, too, that readers go all the way down the comments because there are many useful and thought-provoking posts.
Keep doing you best and walking the high road. We need you.
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It’s always a joy when I am listening to the Mortified Podcast and they mention the name Marina Shifrin. Your writing is wonderful and inspiring even to this 52 year-old who has frittered his creative life away,
I just came across this comment. I don’t know how I missed it! What an incredibly heartwarming and motivating thing to say. My dad start painting, taking music lessons and billiard lessons in his mid/late-50s (after he retired) his blossom in creativity over the past ten years is what pushed me to be more creative. So, I am going to “lean in” to the cliche and say you’re not that old to get to started…Unless you’ve aged by 50 years in the past 4 months, then it may be tough but still totally doable.
What a lovely post, Marina. Screw those internet bullies and keep doing your thing. The world needs more people like you.